Overberg Angling

Hi guys and Ladies, yesterday I had the oppertunity to cast with a Pentagon hmg matched to the trinni 30 DC.Wow what a set up on my third cast I reached 150m as where with my saltist and exage 1448 I only reached 140m once and ave of around 110 to 120m in the two years that I have had the rod
My Question is what is the advantage/disadvantage between a 3 peice and 1 peice,except for transport issues as I am now strongly looking at having a rod built
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Who/which manufacturer/ brand would you recommend and why?

Dennis, I am by no way a boffin on rods. My 2c worth.
A HMG one piece is the right set-up for sliding, heavy bait casting and fighting huge fish. The advantage is that there are no inserts as with the 3 piece. The one piece will not crack on the joins as with the 3 piece. I have exprienced this. You will also have more pulling power with the one piece.
What type of 1 piece, my opinion is go to the tackel shops and get a feel of the rod, there are so many on the market, from Waft, Poisiodon, Blue Marlin ect ect.
Disadvantage, the only I can say is the transport, nothing else.
3 piece HMG is just as good. For lighter fights it will be OK, there are also a number on the market. Loomis is your best bet. That is the sharkie.
Hope this helps.

I agree with Martin on his comment.

I have a Blue marlin T53 7+1 solid rod and also a Lighter Loomis & Franklin 3 piece rod.

If you are serious about angling for heavy fish with large baits where you want to slide your bait, then the 1 piece rod is the way to go. The problem with sliding is that you have to shake your bait down and the solid rod is a better answer. On a 3 piece rod you get wear and tear on the joints and this can cause cracks etc.

Now this does not mean 3 piece rods is bad. In fact, with the technology available today the 3 piece rod can fight any fish just as well as a 1 piece.

The biggest technical difference between a 1 and 3 piece is really when you cast. You can load your rod much better on a 1 piece as the load on the rod is equally distributed from the butt to the tip. With a 3 piece you have 2 joints on the rod which causes the rod not to load as well as a 1 piece.

Therefore you should be able to get further distance with a 1 piece on casting.

At the end of the day, the technologies on both types of rods is quite good and should not make a big difference on your choice of rod.

I use my 1 piece exclusively for heavy stuff and sliding, whereas the 3 piece is used when we target edibles and smaller fish.

The only other issue with a 1 piece is transport. You cannot fold it up and have to strap in to your roof carrier.

At the end of the day it is personal choice. For me I would rather fight a 100kg bronzie on a solid rod.

Lastly. If you want to bay a solid, then it really depends on your budget.

For around 2k you can get the Blue Marlin T53 7+1. If you want to get serious, you can get the Gremlins custom rod from Durban. Uses the same blank, but the custom work is awesome, but you also pay 3.5 k odd for it.

Many of the club anglers use the gremlins rod. really awesome!

For 3 pieces, you have many options and brands. You really have to feel and buy what you like.

Good value for money and lots of people rave on the Loomis Sharky. Also a nice rod is the new 3 pieces from Blue Marlin, but you pay!, Assassin rods also very good.

If you have the bucks, get a HMG rod. if you don't have the bucks, then save for it.

"If you have the bucks, get a HMG rod. if you don't have the bucks, then save for it."

Wise words from Playon

I don't own a solid rod
I don't have an HMG rod

I do however love my Loomis 3 piece and have caught a lot of fish with it, including a 170kg raggie and a 150kg+ black ray

I do not slide as often as the guys from the FBIC (MArtin, Wep, Playon and co) and believe that if that is your main reason for fishing then buy a solid 1 piece HMG.

I don't believe there are bad rods on the market anymore - they are all pretty much the same ito quality, it becomes a matter of personal preferance and combination of rod and reel.

Enjoy your shopping - wish it was me (Now if i win the Saltist in the comp I will buy a rod to go with it)

Goeie more almal

Thanks for an interresting topic. I would like to share the following with you:

I fish with a Kingfisher Poseidon HMG Heavy, 3 piece. Dit is 'n baie lekker stok omrede dit baie lig is veral as die wind waai en dit het baie "pulling power". The unfortunate thing happened to me a couple of weeks ago where the tip snapped in half while fighting a bronzie at Gordons Bay (around the mountain). I am not trying to promote or market the rod, however I just want thank Kingfisher for their excellent back-up service because after inspecting the broken tip, they have replaced it free of charge. I think this is quite an important aspect to remember when buying a rod (or then a 3 piece).

Iets om te onthou is dat indien 'n 3 piece breek as gevolg van jou eie fout, dan is dit goedkoper om 1 van die dele te vervang as die hele stok.

In regards to casting, I have found that fishing with rods from the same manufacturer, you get used to the "action" of the rods. I fish with Kingfisher 1 pieces and 3 pieces and I felt comfortable immediately after using the 3 piece for the first time. In fact, I get more distance now by fishing with the 3 piece.

I guess, stick to what you feel comfortable with.

You are so very right is your experience with your Poseidon.

I had a 3 piece poseidon and upgraded the rod recently to a 1 piece.

A friend of mine bought the poseidon and he is extremely happy with it.

Not a bad rod at all.

You are right on the advantage of only having to replace one piece of the rod if it breaks and is certainly a cheaper option, even if you have to pay for it.

Question I have when one replaces one of the pieces on a three piece rod.

Surely the rod must have had some wear and tear on the joints during use. If the manufacturer sends you a new section, will it still fit properly and not cause further damage to the joint as you now have two pieces that did not wear together?

And secondly? with wear and tear, you diameters of the two pieces might wear. If you fit a new section, will this be a problem?

Look, On my poseidon I have not seen any visible wear and tear on the joints, so the above questions is a shot in the dark!

Any thoughts?... anyone???

Yes PlayOn, you can call me a Poseidon "freak".

Wear and tear on joints........these are very good questions. I think only "Experience" will be able to give us the answers.

In my scenario, the new replacement tip fit like a dream and works like a dream. Something that I did when I received my rod originally was to put "binding" around the joint-areas. My thinking was to assist in strenghtening the joints to prevent cracking and to slow down possible wear and tear.

It will be nice from somebody to share their experiences who's being fishing with 3 pieces rods for 10 years or more?????

Wilfred, I bought PlayOn's Poseidon Magnun last year. I have been using it ONLY for shark fishing. That means Sat and Sun weekly and monthly of constant casting heavy baits, sliding, fighting sharks and also large pieces of sea bamboo. It is a 3 piece. I have caught about 6 shark from 30 to 70kg with it. My son landed the "251 kg raggie" with it. I have had absolutely no probs with it. It can take a huge amount of pressure and I am not scared to play a shark hard.
PlayOn has had the rod for 5 years with a number of huge fish also.
What is very important is that after 5 years the rod is in excellent condition. He looked after the rod as I do now.
I do not tape the joints as many other folk do. I make sure that when the joints are inserted, they go in smoothly, gently and secure them properly.
What is important to me is that I feel totally confident to take on any shark or ray with the rod.
Regarding the breaking of tips ect, I have heard it has happened with a number of guys with a number of rods of different makes. My point, is that it might happen with the best of rods.
My opinion is that if one feels confident with the rod, one will fight the fish even better.

Can someone please tell me what HMG stands for

Morning Whalerider, it stands for High Modulus Graphite. I will later post a complete posting on it.

Good morning!

I love this site as it's better than the Sealine and Big Fish Safari website/forum.

The other day I recapped on one of my old fishing DVD's - "Angling with Team Blackfin - Series 1 Edition 1 -The Non-Return Slide. These guys pitch hard on the wonders of the Gremlins Pentagon 3 piece HMG rod. Their argument is that the butt (extremely stiff) and middle (quite stiff) section helps to generate the power for the cast, while the lighter tip section has a bit of give to it. In other words - it's not like a solid piece of broomstick that you try to cast with. They promote that (a rod with those caracteristics) above a solid rod, as all 3 pieces are made from different thickenss HMG - and each has it's specific role to play in the rod's function (casting & playing a fish).
It's an interesting dvd to watch.

Morne thanks for the input. Tight lines boet.